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[wergora]

W dzisiejszej Wyborczej pisano że przemysł filmowy stracił 1 miliard $. Reszta na logikę. Wiadomo że seriale z tego sezonu nawet jeśli wyjdą na DVD to w cenach znacznie mniejszych niż zwykle. Trudno by 11 odcinków Heroes czy 13 PB kosztowały tyle co pak z pełnym sezonem. To samo dotyczy emisji TV czy w necie. Oczywiście w lepszej sytuacji będą scenarzyści sitcomów, oper mydlanych czy talk show. Ale to nie ta kasa, nie ten poziom. W tej sytuacji logiczne się wydaje że większość zacznie zarabiać po nowych stawkach za rok-dwa.

Ale 1 miliard $ według Wyborczej to chyba kaczka dziennikarska.

[Modes]

Ten 1 miliard $ to prawda.
A reszte sobie Wyborcza z [beeep] wyssala. No dobra nie wysllala ale swojego tlumacza powinni wywalic z roboty To nie WGA (scenarzysci itp.) ale DGA (rezyserowie itp.) dobili porozumienia z AMPTP. AMPTP od ponad miesieca ignorowalo wolania WGA do podejscia do stolu i negocjacji, teraz po zawarciu umowy z DGA WGA ma nadzieje ze AMPTP siadzie do rozmow z nimi.

I tyle na ten temat

[kwiatek]

Dokładnie, nie WGA tylko DGA, a to zupełenie co innego...
Ale po dogadaniu się DGA, WGA znowu chce rozmawiać z AMPTP

Studios, WGA plan to meet
Guild leaders eye weekend talks

With the DGA deal serving as an impetus, leaders of the Writers Guild of America have agreed to meet informally with top execs from the majors to discuss the resumption of bargaining.
No timetable's been set and neither side issued any official comment but several people familiar with the conversations confirmed that the meetings are expected to take place within a few days.

It's probable that the moguls will include News Corp. president Peter Chernin.

The top execs issued the invite to meet informally to the WGA leaders on Thursday, minutes after announcing the DGA deal, and have indicated that the guild will be offered similar terms to those in the directors pact. The WGA has scheduled a meeting of its negotiating committee for Saturday.

No formal talks have taken place between the WGA and the Alliance of Motion Picture & Television Producers since Dec. 7 when negotiations collapsed after the AMPTP demanded that the WGA remove half a dozen proposals as a condition of continued bargaining.

Reaction to the deal's included an effort by former WGA West board member Craig Mazin urging guild members to contact the leadership and ask that they seek to make a deal along the lines of the DGA pact.

Mazin suggested sending a message that reads as follows -- "Thanks to your tireless efforts in running a successful strike, the DGA was able to close on a deal they would have never otherwise achieved. Thank you! Now that our combined efforts have led to a deal we can live with, I'm urging you to get the same deal for us as expeditiously as possible. Our collective sacrificed worked. It's time to complete our victory and get back to work."

"ER" exec producer John Wells told Daily Variety he's very impressed by the deal, and says the template provided by it could produce an end to the writers' strike within two weeks.

"This is a genuinely landmark deal," Wells said Friday. "I've been involved in negotiations for 20 years. This is the best deal I've seen that anyone's been able to negotiate."

Informal talks among groups of scribes have been going on since the DGA deal was announced Thursday, and are expected to continue over the Martin Luther King holiday weekend.

It's also believed backchannel conversations between key WGA members and CEOs and top execs from the AMPTP companies have already begun, possibly paving the way for a formal resumption of negotiations.

Wells said scribes should be happy about the gains made by directors. "This was the deal everyone was hoping for, plus a little more," he said.

He made it clear the WGA strike was a key factor in the helmers' gains.

"The DGA took all the leverage the writers gave them and negotiated a hell of deal," he said. "I didn't think we'd be anywhere close to this."

Wells cautioned that are still important issues that need to be resolved on matters that weren't addressed by the directors.

There's the thorny matter of "separated rights," for instance. Scribes are looking to figure out how they get credited and paid when work they do on a webisode of a show such as "The Office" or "Lost" is later turned into a movie or book.

Still, assuming the WGA and AMPTP begin formal talks quickly, Wells thinks scribes could be pounding their keyboards before Valentine's Day.

"This deal should be done in two weeks," he said.

Meanwhile, Wells underlined his embrace of the DGA deal in a letter to a colleague that's been widely circulated around the Net.

In that missive, DGA also noted what he called an "underreported" section of the deal that he found particularly vital. Helmers were able to get the studios to agree to open up their books to let the WGA look at the details of their new-media deals and contracts.

"This has never happened before," Wells wrote. "It will allow the DGA to analyze whether the terms of this new deal are working and if the revenues are being properly reported. This is another extraordinary aspect of this deal and a cause for celebration."

While a number of major showrunners have expressed their support of the DGA pact, the accord hasn't been greeted with universal acclaim.

Message boards on a number of WGA strike-related Websites are filled with slew of comments denouncing the deal, or expressing serious reservations.

Members of the popular United Hollywood site issued a first-blush analysis of the pact that offered a middle-of-the-road take on the directors' pact.

"The DGA deal, as we understand it, is neither reason for celebration nor mourning," scribes wrote.

[Luizjana]

No ciekaw jestem czy faktycznie Oskary to dead line dla strajku, jak tak to można by jeszcze na wiosnę coś zobaczyć, myślę, że szkice nowych scenariuszy są, nikt pewnie z scenarzystów nie wyleguje się na zielonej trawce, ale czy reszta ekipy (szczególnie aktorzy) będą mieli wolne terminy? Wszystko się tam powaliło i nie wygląda to ciekawie, więc chyba dopiero na jesieni zobaczymy jakieś kontynuacje, obym się mylił.

[Pawel]

Teraz wybiórcza a pamiętam że w grudniu Dziennik podał sensacyjną wiadomość o końcu strajku scenarzystów w USA.

W każdym razie dobrze że jeszcze reżyserzy nie zaczną swojego strajku bo to już była by bardzo zła wiadomość dla nas, oglądaczy seriali z USA.

Użytkownik Pawel edytował ten post 22.01.2008 - |18:40|

[wergora]

24.02.08 rozdanie Oskarów. Ciekawe: będzie gala i scenariusz czy nie.

[cymrean]

Rezyserzy sie dogadali, nie wiem czy optymizm zwiazany z tym kontraktem wplynie na scenarzystow, ale nawet jesli sie dogadaja to trzeba pamietac, ze (o ile sie nie myle) pod koniec tego roku konczy sie takze kontrakt aktorow, wiec moze nastapic kolejny strajk...

Mam nadzieje, ze najczarniejsze scenariusze (jak to sie mowi po angielsku - pun intended) sie nie sprawdza.

Użytkownik cymrean edytował ten post 22.01.2008 - |20:47|

[biku1]

to trzeba pamietac, ze (o ile sie nie myle) pod koniec tego roku konczy sie takze kontrakt aktorow, wiec moze nastapic kolejny strajk...

Nie pod koniec tylko w okolicach maja/czerwca jest prawdopodobny strajk aktorów.
Dlatego wielu się spieszyło by do tego czasu wyrobić się z produkcjami bo jeśli aktorzy też się w końcu zdecydują na ten protest to będzie wielka kicha z kręceniem czegokolwiek.

[Modes]

W każdym razie dobrze że jeszcze reżyserzy nie zaczną swojego strajku bo to już była by bardzo zła wiadomość dla nas, oglądaczy seriali z USA.

Strajk rezyserow byl ... i sie skonczyl. Dogadali sie z producentami.

ale nawet jesli sie dogadaja to trzeba pamietac, ze (o ile sie nie myle) pod koniec tego roku konczy sie takze kontrakt aktorow

Aktorzy to najmniejsze zmartwienie, duza czesc z nich zatrudniana jest tylko do danej roli w danym serialu i przedluzenia umow sa przeprowadzone w zdecydowanej wiekszosci co rok (oprucz gwiazd popularnych seriali).

Gorzej z obsada studiow filmowych, czyli technikami, scenografami, montazystami, kamerzystami itp. bo podobno im sie takze w tym roku koncza umowy.

[Pawel]

Strajk rezyserow byl ... i sie skonczyl. Dogadali sie z producentami.

Był ale tak jakby go nie było .

[kwiatek]

Parę informacji po polsku i całe teksty w wersji ENG:

- CBS, Fox i the CW zrezygnowali z większości nowych pilotów seriali planowanych na sezon 2008-2009, ewentuanie jak coś to tylko te od razu planowane na 13 odcinków mogą po części zostać zrobione
- NBC twierdzi, że ich nowe pilotowe seriale będą wyprodukowane, nawet jeśli mają powstać piloty, które potem się odrzuci

NBC mixes messages
Network won't cancel previous pilot orders
What the Peacock giveth, it also taketh away.
NBC said on Wednesday it had no plans to cancel any of its orders for 2008-09 pilot scripts -- but that it was dramatically cutting back on future pilot production.
Over the past few days, CBS, Fox and the CW all said that the strike --and its expected impact on pilot season--- had forced them to renege on previous script orders. Dozens of scribes were told that the ideas they had previously sold to the nets, but never delivered because of the WGA walkout, were no longer needed.
NBC, however, has decided to do just the opposite, confirming Wednesday that it will not cancel any of its previous script orders. The majority of the net's 2008-09 development is at sister company Universal Media Studios, but the commitment to stick by script orders also applies to projects set up at outside companies.
Move is a rare bit of good news for striking scribes, who in recent weeks have seen studios slash more than 75 overall deals and watched as numerous networks opted to trim their script orders.
NBC U boss Jeff Zucker told the New York Times Wednesday that his broadcast network was largely abandoning the decades-old tradition of ordering numerous pilots each year. He said the net will still order a couple each year, but would shift more toward a system of straight-to-series orders.
Peacock execs stressed that the net would still order dozens of "first episode" scripts each year, and that it would continue its recent shift toward rolling, year-round development of projects.
Zucker told the Times the move was a result of the WGA strike and the economy.
"It's clear we are in a recession in the United States, and we're going to have to manage our business accordingly," he said.
NBC Entertainment exec VP Teri Weinberg and UMS prexy Katherine Pope said Zucker's pronouncement, and the decision to stick by its script commitments, were both part of the net's desire to shake up the development process.
"With the kind of money we're spending on pilots, we'd like to see that money amortized better (over the course of a series), and also not feel rushed," Weinberg said. "We want to really nurture that development."
Because NBC won't be locked into a traditional pilot season this year -- but instead will greenlight projects when they're ready or when they need them -- it didn't make sense to try to save some short term coin by cutting back pre-strike script orders.
"Given where we are, given that we're trying to look at everything on a per project basis...we wanted to say, 'Let's wait and get these scripts'," Pope said.
Added Weinberg, "We (wanted) to give the writers a chance to deliver."
While Weinberg and Pope argued that Zucker's comments on pilots weren't that radical, others around town were surprised by his words.
Other nets, including Fox, have been dropping hits about reducing pilot orders this season in favor of more straight-to-series orders. But Zucker's pronouncement that he was killing pilots, save for "one or two" a year, seemed a bit dramatic to rivals.
"He is basically saying to the entire town, 'We are not in business'," one senior exec at a rival company said. "It's so short- sighted."
But Pope said Zucker's declaration was simply a much-needed change to a broken system.
"People are still going to have to write pilot scripts" before series are ordered, she said. "This is just about not wasting money on production. It's about taking our bets and being smart on the front end."
The biggest losers in the process could be helmers and thesps, who make millions each year shooting pilots that never go to series.

- jeśli strajk potrwa jeszcze 60-90 dni, jego koszt może sięgnąć 3 milardów dolarów, a dla całego biznesu 2,8 raza więcej, czyli 8,4 milarda dolarów
- co do losów samych seriali, to w każdym przypadku, będzie wiele czynników, które zadecydują, co się stanie gdy strajk się skończy. Pytania na które stację będą sobie odpowiadać będą wyglądać tak:
-- ile odcinków dążymy zrobić przed końcem sezonu, w zależności od serialu, na nowy odcinek trzeba czekać, od 2 do 6 tygodni, krócej na pozycje komediowe po 20 minut, dłużej na dramaty po 40 minut itp
-- czy serial będzie kontynuowany w przyszłym sezonie, jak nie, to po co wogóle kończyć, koszty będą traz znacznie wyższe.
-- czy warto wznawiać produkcję na kilka odcinków nawet jeśli serial będzie w nastęnym sezonie, kilka odcinków po przerwie będzie dużo droższe niż ciągła produkcja na nowy sezon, można więc zakończyć teraz i zacząć na nowy sezon dopiero
-- oczywiście w przypadku hitowych seriali pewnie studia zdecydują się nawet na 3-4 odcinki po 40 minut, czy też 6-8 po 20 minut, żeby tylko przyciągnąć widzów przed ekrany
-- inna opcja to wyprodukować wszystkie zamówione odcinki z tego sezonu, ale część przenieść na przyszły sezon, czyli w sezonie 2008-2009 byłoby mniej powtórek
-- kolejna opcja to przenieść pozostałe niezrobione jeszcze odcinki na przyszły sezon, a zamówić tylko tyle na 2008-2009, żeby w sumie i tak było 22/24, czyli na przykład jeśli coś miało mieć 22 odcinki, zrobiono 13, to pozostałe 9 przenosi się na nowy sezon a zamawia tylko 13, żeby w sumie w 2008-2009 było ile trzeba
-- jest też opcja, żeby emitować niektóre pozycje nawet w czerwcu 2008

Industry hopes costly strike ends
TV, film production losses could top $3 billion
Now that the two sides are talking again, hope is rising that the writers strike will be settled sooner rather than later. If that doesn't happen, the showbiz community will face far more financial pain related to the strike -- just as the national economy appears to be skidding into a recession.
If the 3-month-old strike were to persist for an additional 60-90 days, the direct amount of lost spending on TV and film production could reach $3 billion, according to an industry study conducted by informed sources.
The study provided to Daily Variety on a confidential basis has calculated a cost of about $1.9 billion in lost episodic production for the more than 70 broadcast and cable primetime skeins, assuming no more segs are delivered for the 2007-08 season. That includes more than $800 million in above-the-line expenditures and $1.1 billion in below-the-line salaries.
If pilot season is tabled entirely, that would yank an extra $300 million-plus out of the showbiz economy, a calculation based on the conservative assumption that the five broadcast webs have, in recent years, produced about 50 half-hour pilots at a cost of about $125 million and roughly 45 hourlong pilots running $180 million. NBC has already said it is curtailing pilot production this year.
Crunching the numbers on the film side is tougher than in television, because movie production is generally more pliable in terms of when a pic begins lensing; TV by its nature offers a more easily quantifiable production process. But after surveying major employers and talent reps, the study authors conservatively estimate that pic production losses would reach $1 billion if the strike runs two or three more months.
Jack Kyser, chief economist for the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp., estimates that the strike to date has cost Los Angeles County about $1.5 billion in wages and related economic activity -- not including the lost studio spending on production.
The really staggering figure comes when you take the $3 billion estimate for lost film and TV production spending and consider the multiplier effect, or the lost spending stemming from expenditures for physical production (lumber, paint, craft services, supplies, town cars, etc.) plus the lost spending among actors, writers, directors, crews et al. who didn't have as much money to drop on meals in restaurants, clothing and that new Prius they might've been eyeing before the strike.
Because showbiz workers are generally highly paid (and unionized), the U.S. Dept. of Commerce applies a high multiplier of 2.8 in assessing the ripple effect of the showbiz sector, which means that $3 billion in lost coin will really feel like a loss of $8.4 billion in Los Angeles, New York, Vancouver and other production hubs should the strike persist into April.
In an effort to salvage as much coin as possible, top brass at major TV studios are working overtime on contingency plans to determine how many episodes of various series could be salvaged if the strike ends within two to three weeks.
Studio brass said there's no blanket approach to such planning; each show's fate will be determined by a combination of network need, syndication and foreign licensing contracts and the feasibility of getting production up and running in a hurry.
One studio topper said he's most concerned over what to do with bubble shows. Having to return and jump-start production on a show -- when it's not known whether the network is even planning to bring it back next year -- may be too cost-prohibitive.
"If all we can do is four more episodes, there are pretty substantial amortization costs in order to go back into production," the exec said. "Each of those episodes will cost a lot of money. And my guess is the networks won't be generous in helping with that."
There's been a lot of optimistic discussion about keeping shows in production during the traditional summer hiatus period to make up the lost episodes, but others caution that network appetites may be diminished. Some returning skeins may just have to take the loss and hope for a return to normal orders in the 2008-09 season.
But insiders believe nets will be angling to get as many original episodes of their signature shows as possible.
"Any show that's a keeper, something that's working, you're going to want episodes," the studio topper said. "And we'll be able to figure it out: 22 (episodes) for next year, and somewhere between three and six or seven for this year."
Every show is different, but it's believed showrunners will take anywhere from two weeks (for multicamera laffers) to six weeks (for newer hourlong dramas) to produce their first post-strike episodes. "Desperate Housewives" creator-exec producer Marc Cherry recently told KABC-TV that he could finish the full season of his show if the strike ended fairly soon.
But there are other caveats.
Many nets have declared that they no longer want to be bound by the traditional September-May season. Even before the strike, for instance, Fox had planned to air the season finale of "24" in June.
The strike would give nets the perfect chance to experiment with airing original segs of scripted hits in June. And given how tight the scatter market has been, advertisers may welcome the opportunity to tout their wares in something other than reality shows during the summer.
Some believe nets may instead convert the back-nine orders for some of this year's frosh success stories -- think NBC's "Chuck," ABC's "Pushing Daisies" and CBS' "The Big Bang Theory" -- into 13-episode orders for next fall.
Another possibility: Nets may produce the full orders of some shows now but hold back airing the episodes until next season. That may mean more original episodes next season and fewer repeats.
Of course, there's plenty of TV production spending that has already irrevocably vanished as a result of the strike.
The industry survey pegged the cost of the lost production of the major latenight talkshows, which went dark for eight to nine weeks following the onset of the strike on Nov. 5, and NBC's "Saturday Night Live," which remains out of commission, at more than $95 million. That included $55 million in above-the-line fees and $39 million in below-the-line pay on eight shows including CBS' "The Late Show With David Letterman," NBC's "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno," ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live" and Comedy Central's "The Daily Show With Jon Stewart," as well as "SNL."

[Origin]

Czy już wiadomo co z takimi tytułami jak:

Supernatutal czy dokończa 3 sezon?
DH czy dokończa 4 sezon?
Smallille czy dokończa 7 sezon?

[Modes]

Origin: Na dzien dzisiejszy nie bedzie zadnego serialu juz NIGDY (strajk trwa i TYLKO od daty jego zakonczenia bedzie zalezalo CZY i JAKIE seriale beda dokanczali).

[wergora]

Tylko proszę się nie śmiać z mojego źródła.
Według stacji E! Entertainment strajk spowodował straty rzędu 1.6 miliarda $. Obie strony mają już dość, prowadzą rozmowy i wszystko wskazuje że strajk zakończy się w piątek.
Do tej ostatniej wiadomości podchodzę sceptycznie. Prawdopodobnie to zwykły wyciek jednej ze stron w celu zmiękczenia przeciwnika.
Zadziwia mnie solidarność środowiska filmowego. Przez jedną grupę zawodową stoi cały przemysł, nikt nie zarabia. U nas już dawno by zjedli scenarzystów żywcem. Z pewnością gdzieś tam są tarcia na linii scenarzyści-inne grupy zawodowe ale oficjalnie to monolit. W drugiej połowie roku pewnie będą wspierać aktorów.

[kwiatek]

Przełom w rozmowach?
Wygląda na to, że w końcu nieoficialne rozmowy stały się na tyle produktywne, że WGA i AMPTP wrócą do stołu rozmów oficialnie w poniedziałek. Podobno prawnicy obu stron wymieniają już pierwsze szkice umów pomiędzy organizacjami.
Studia postatowiły wykorzystać umowę pomiędzy nimi a DGA, do określenia warunków odnośnie epizodów internetowych i transmisji internetowych (zaproponują to samo WGA?), a jak wiadomo to było do tej pory główną kością niezgody pomiędzy WGA a AMPTP.
Ostatnie oficialne spotkanie odbyło się 7 grudnia 2007, sam strajk trwa od 5 listopada 2007.

Breakthrough in WGA talks
Sides closing in on tentative deal
Talks between WGA leaders and top studio execs on Friday and Saturday have been productive enough to generate cautious optimism that a settlement to the more than three-month-old strike may soon be at hand.
WGA negotiating committee head John Bowman and WGA West exec director David Young had a lengthy meeting Friday with News Corp. prexy Peter Chernin and Walt Disney Co. CEO Robert Iger that was described as having gone well overall, despite some tension at the outset. It's understood that those conversations continued on Saturday, though it was not clear if it was by phone or face-to-face.
Insiders said there was enough progress being made to raise the prospect of WGA leaders bringing a contract proposal directly to the boards of the WGA West and WGA East, possibly bypassing the resumption of formal bargaining between the WGA and Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers. Insiders indicated that lawyers for both sides were exchanging drafts of proposed contract language this weekend.
WGA's 17-member negotiating committee and the WGA West's board are already skedded to hold separate meetings on Monday, at noon and 3 p.m., respectively. People close to the situation cautioned against putting a timetable on the process, given the rocky road of the negotiations to date.
Chernin and Iger began the informal talks with WGA toppers on Jan. 22, on the heels of the AMPTP sealing a deal with the Directors Guild of America that the studios aim to use as a template for a WGA pact. A big stumbling block for the WGA is said to be the terms agreed to by the DGA for web streaming of TV shows and movies. The United Hollywood blog reported Saturday that "creative solutions to the biggest differences between the AMPTP and the WGA have gotten the tentative and cautious approval of both sides."
Neither WGA or AMPTP reps would comment on the status of talks in accordance with the news blackout both camps have agreed to.
Going into the weekend, studio toppers were said to be frustrated with the lack of substantive progress in the talks, which were designed to lay the groundwork for the resumption of formal bargaining.
The AMPTP and WGA last met in a formal session on Dec. 7. WGA has been on strike since Nov. 5.

[Jonasz]

Scenarzysci zawarli wstepne porozumienie z Independet w NY. Podobno rozmowy z producentami w Hollywood sa na dobrej drodze do prozumienia. Jesli tak, to za jakies 6 tygodni zaczna splywac nowe epizody.

[Jonasz]

Wedlug ciagle nieoficjalnych informacji zawarto porozumienie pomiedzy producentami a zwiazkami. Ma one byc ratyfikowane w sobote, lub w niedziele. W poniedzialek mozemy sie spodziewac oficjalnego komunikatu. Sezon Lost uratowany.

[Vismund]

Wedlug ciagle nieoficjalnych informacji zawarto porozumienie pomiedzy producentami a zwiazkami. Ma one byc ratyfikowane w sobote, lub w niedziele. W poniedzialek mozemy sie spodziewac oficjalnego komunikatu. Sezon Lost uratowany.

To będą następne odcinki?! o_0 Skąd wiesz?

[Jonasz]

To będą następne odcinki?! o_0 Skąd wiesz?

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